I think one thing that letterboxers need to start seriously considering is
that as the popularity of the pasttime takes off, it's going to attrack some
very strange people to do some very strange things, especially if they feel
they possibly won't be caught or prosecuted.

I think it's really necessary to realize that not all the clues posted
nowadays will necessarily be posted by "sane" people.

Some boxes might turn out to be relatively harmless pranks. I recently went
looking for one that was listed on LbNA that I'm almost positive, from what
I heard in the neighborhood afterwards, were just some clues posted with no
box to be found so that some teenage boys could videotape confused
letterboxers out their bedroom window. Gee, maybe some of us will make the
next Borat movie? :-)

But other boxes might turn out to be dangerous. Either luring people into
dangerous areas in anticipation of robbing, raping, or mugging someone, or
something like what Wendell ran into where there's some serious physical
damage done by how the box was set up. Wendell's post seems to me to be a
great wake-up call post that we need to not only be careful out there but to
start being *extra* careful.

~~ Mosey ~~

-----Original Message-----
From: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Wendell Jones
Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 9:51 PM
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [LbNA] Carry a big stick!


I know the season is getting late. I know the weather is turning
cold I know
with the holidays approaching people have other things on their
minds, but
there are a few of us die-hards out there. Those of us who would
search for the
last LB in the midst of a blizzard need to know this. I haven't been
at it as long as some of you but I am really hooked. There is a
wonderful spot
near Sparta, TN where a wonderful box has been planted. The clue is
more than
moderately intriguing. The stamp, for a store bought, is cute enough
and fits
right there in my logbook without disturbing or quarreling with the
other stamps.
All in all it was a great hunt, find & a good day out with my
daughter...until.
We stopped at a store to ask concerning the road in the clue, as it
was miss-named in the clue. While at the country market we used the
bathroom, gassed up,
got refreshments and directions (as best as they could make out
without telling
them we were looking for a letter box) and then we were off again.
As it fell,
the assistance they gave us was profitable. They led us directly to
what looked
like it ought to be the place. There was one piece of the puzzle
that we could
not find. We got out of our vehicle and walked around a bit and lo
and behold
my daughter found the place where the box was supposed to be. Now,
here is a
tip for all of you boxers out there, whether avid boxers or just
week-end
enthusiasts. If you have to uncover a box, please, please, please
use a stick.
If a stick is not available, leave the box where it is. Our clue
said to move a
stone that stood tall. Then we were to dig under that stone. I
realize it is
against etiquette to bury one in the ground but the clue said "dig
deep". I have
of late put a small spade with my boxing gear for such occaisions.
At any rate,
we moved the tall stone, I reached down and started scooping with my
hand until
my daughter started screaming. I looked up at her and noticed she
was starring
down at where I was digging. The first thought that went through my
head was
"Lord, what have I uncovered?" That was when the pain became
evident. When I
looked down, both of my hands and the ground in front of me were
covered with
blood. From the pain, I knew it must be mine. There was broken glass
in the
hole. It was big pieces of glass. It appeared that someone had
broken 3 or 4
beer bottles and filled the hole with glass before they covered the
box. God
bless my girl, she gave me her outer shirt ( she had a flannel over
a T-shirt)
and I wrapped up as best as I could. Now, as if you haven't been
rubbed enough, here's the real rub. We drove
to a nearby hospital and were told that the attending physician was
on the
golf corse and that they would have to page him. They started
processing my
paperwork and then notified me that he would not accept my
insurance. The
hospital would but the doctor would not. At this we left and drove
all the way
back to Middle Tennessee Medical Center in Rutherford County. I had
5 stitches
in the tips of the first two fingers of my right hand; 17 stitches
on the back
of my right hand (split between 3 different cuts);6 stitches in the
palm of my
right hand; I had cut into the ligament in my middle finger on my
left hand,
and for about 1/4 of an inch I would have lost the tip of my left
pinky. You
would think a body would feel something like that. I know I have
wondered time
and time again how I didn't. My point is this. I am a die-hard
boxer. I have
been warned about putting myself at risk a hundred times. It is when
you least
expect it that injury will reach out and nab you. I was merely
digging up a
box. I recall actually racing with Gracy to the box to see who would
get to
pull it out. My horror is, what if she had beaten me to it. We
contacted the
owner of the box and they said they would check on it. We never
heard anything
back from them.
As it turned out this box was really there. My daughter and I went
back a few
weeks later and found it. We took a small spade with us. It is now,
as I said
before, a permanent part of our gear. The glass was still in the
hole. I was
surprised at how much glass it was. You could still see the blood on
the
ground. We scooped the glass out (along with the dirt) logged our
find, and
then walked back into the woods a piece where we dug up some good
dirt in a
coffee can and refilled the hole. At last check, the box was just
under the
stone, and Gracy and I were the last two to log it. I am thinking it
to be
abandoned. I am also thinking it to be someone elses headache. Just
read
all clues carefully. If you find a clue in this particullar area
with anything at
all familliar sounding about it, please take a spade or a shovel. At
least use
a stick. I am back to work, back to boxing, back to basics and
taking fewer
risks. It sobers you up when your children witness your stupidity.
My first two
fingers on my left hand are still numb. The doctor says they will
likely always
be.

Wendell Jones







Yahoo! Groups Links

>
> But other boxes might turn out to be dangerous. Either luring
people into
> dangerous areas in anticipation of robbing, raping, or mugging
someone, or
> something like what Wendell ran into where there's some serious
physical
> damage done by how the box was set up. Wendell's post seems to me
to be a
> great wake-up call post that we need to not only be careful out
there but to
> start being *extra* careful.
>
> ~~ Mosey ~~
>
HI Mosey

This is one of the reasons I wrote the security article a few years
back. The article can be found at AQ in the Code of Conduct section
as well as at Silent Dougs web site and somewhere in Mark and Sue's
site.

At the time I wrote the info there was some chat on this list about
leaving personal info..addresses and phone numbers in letterboxes
and that point was being encouraged by a few naive folks.

The bottom line is that you have to be just as "on guard" while
pursuing a letterbox as you would be in some "bad neighborhood" in a
big city. Most letterboxes are located in areas the finder does not
know well.

Don

http://letterboxingsecurity.blogspot.com/

Mark

-------------- Original message --------------
From: "gwendontoo"
>
> But other boxes might turn out to be dangerous. Either luring
people into
> dangerous areas in anticipation of robbing, raping, or mugging
someone, or
> something like what Wendell ran into where there's some serious
physical
> damage done by how the box was set up. Wendell's post seems to me
to be a
> great wake-up call post that we need to not only be careful out
there but to
> start being *extra* careful.
>
> ~~ Mosey ~~
>
HI Mosey

This is one of the reasons I wrote the security article a few years
back. The article can be found at AQ in the Code of Conduct section
as well as at Silent Dougs web site and somewhere in Mark and Sue's
site.

At the time I wrote the info there was some chat on this list about
leaving personal info..addresses and phone numbers in letterboxes
and that point was being encouraged by a few naive folks.

The bottom line is that you have to be just as "on guard" while
pursuing a letterbox as you would be in some "bad neighborhood" in a
big city. Most letterboxes are located in areas the finder does not
know well.

Don




[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

shortly after starting our LB career
we added a pair of 12" tongs to our kit
($1.00 at dollar tree)

never like to put a hand anywhere
you cannot see what is really there
be it a tree trunk, hollow log, rock shelf

and after reading this tragic experience
we will be extra careful

dixie darlin"

Wow. What a horrible experience. I am so sorry this happened to oyu. Do you think the
letterboxer did this. or perhaps some non-letterboxer discovered th ebox and thought it
would be "funny" to do this to the next person?

I guess this puts a new spin on our recent discussion as to rushing to find boxes and add
up your count not being a good idea.

Freelance Mystic


>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> The first thought that went through my
> head was
> "Lord, what have I uncovered?" That was when the pain became
> evident. When I
> looked down, both of my hands and the ground in front of me were
> covered with
> blood. From the pain, I knew it must be mine. There was broken glass
> in the
> hole. It was big pieces of glass. It appeared that someone had
> broken 3 or 4
> beer bottles and filled the hole with glass before they covered the
> box.

It's funny how when I started lo these long 3 months ago [yes I am being sarcastic, it's not
long at all] all I carried with me was a stamp and a logbook and one inkpad. And maybe a
pen. And as time goes on I slowly seem to be adding to my burdens with more and more
equipment and supplies....

eee! The whole thing is getting scary. Now beware of broken glass! I am lucky I have not
found anything too terrible so far.

--Freelance Mystic




>
> shortly after starting our LB career
> we added a pair of 12" tongs to our kit
> ($1.00 at dollar tree)
>
> never like to put a hand anywhere
> you cannot see what is really there
> be it a tree trunk, hollow log, rock shelf
>
> and after reading this tragic experience
> we will be extra careful
>
> dixie darlin"
>

Sorry to hear about this sad incident.

As you call yourself a "die-hard boxer," I found it interesting that you had just creatd your profile and joined the letterbox-usa Yahoo! group yesterday, the same day you posted this message. Welcome to our group! Glad to know that this situation has not soured you on the fun of letterboxing and you are still interested in conversing with other 'boxers.

--TJ_Mich


----- Original Message ----
From: Wendell Jones
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 9:51:03 PM
Subject: [LbNA] Carry a big stick!

I know the season is getting late. I know the weather is turning
cold I know
with the holidays approaching people have other things on their
minds, but
there are a few of us die-hards out there. Those of us who would
search for the
last LB in the midst of a blizzard need to know this. I haven't been
at it as long as some of you but I am really hooked. There is a
wonderful spot
near Sparta, TN where a wonderful box has been planted. The clue is
more than
moderately intriguing. The stamp, for a store bought, is cute enough
and fits
right there in my logbook without disturbing or quarreling with the
other stamps.
All in all it was a great hunt, find & a good day out with my
daughter...until.
We stopped at a store to ask concerning the road in the clue, as it
was miss-named in the clue. While at the country market we used the
bathroom, gassed up,
got refreshments and directions (as best as they could make out
without telling
them we were looking for a letter box) and then we were off again.
As it fell,
the assistance they gave us was profitable. They led us directly to
what looked
like it ought to be the place. There was one piece of the puzzle
that we could
not find. We got out of our vehicle and walked around a bit and lo
and behold
my daughter found the place where the box was supposed to be. Now,
here is a
tip for all of you boxers out there, whether avid boxers or just
week-end
enthusiasts. If you have to uncover a box, please, please, please
use a stick.
If a stick is not available, leave the box where it is. Our clue
said to move a
stone that stood tall. Then we were to dig under that stone. I
realize it is
against etiquette to bury one in the ground but the clue said "dig
deep". I have
of late put a small spade with my boxing gear for such occaisions.
At any rate,
we moved the tall stone, I reached down and started scooping with my
hand until
my daughter started screaming. I looked up at her and noticed she
was starring
down at where I was digging. The first thought that went through my
head was
"Lord, what have I uncovered?" That was when the pain became
evident. When I
looked down, both of my hands and the ground in front of me were
covered with
blood. From the pain, I knew it must be mine. There was broken glass
in the
hole. It was big pieces of glass. It appeared that someone had
broken 3 or 4
beer bottles and filled the hole with glass before they covered the
box. God
bless my girl, she gave me her outer shirt ( she had a flannel over
a T-shirt)
and I wrapped up as best as I could. Now, as if you haven't been
rubbed enough, here's the real rub. We drove
to a nearby hospital and were told that the attending physician was
on the
golf corse and that they would have to page him. They started
processing my
paperwork and then notified me that he would not accept my
insurance. The
hospital would but the doctor would not. At this we left and drove
all the way
back to Middle Tennessee Medical Center in Rutherford County. I had
5 stitches
in the tips of the first two fingers of my right hand; 17 stitches
on the back
of my right hand (split between 3 different cuts);6 stitches in the
palm of my
right hand; I had cut into the ligament in my middle finger on my
left hand,
and for about 1/4 of an inch I would have lost the tip of my left
pinky. You
would think a body would feel something like that. I know I have
wondered time
and time again how I didn't. My point is this. I am a die-hard
boxer. I have
been warned about putting myself at risk a hundred times. It is when
you least
expect it that injury will reach out and nab you. I was merely
digging up a
box. I recall actually racing with Gracy to the box to see who would
get to
pull it out. My horror is, what if she had beaten me to it. We
contacted the
owner of the box and they said they would check on it. We never
heard anything
back from them.
As it turned out this box was really there. My daughter and I went
back a few
weeks later and found it. We took a small spade with us. It is now,
as I said
before, a permanent part of our gear. The glass was still in the
hole. I was
surprised at how much glass it was. You could still see the blood on
the
ground. We scooped the glass out (along with the dirt) logged our
find, and
then walked back into the woods a piece where we dug up some good
dirt in a
coffee can and refilled the hole. At last check, the box was just
under the
stone, and Gracy and I were the last two to log it. I am thinking it
to be
abandoned. I am also thinking it to be someone elses headache. Just
read
all clues carefully. If you find a clue in this particullar area
with anything at
all familliar sounding about it, please take a spade or a shovel. At
least use
a stick. I am back to work, back to boxing, back to basics and
taking fewer
risks. It sobers you up when your children witness your stupidity.
My first two
fingers on my left hand are still numb. The doctor says they will
likely always
be.

Wendell Jones




[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Early in my boxing carrier I stuck my hand in a hole while searching for a letterbox only to find someone had stuffed this hole with used toilet paper. The letterbox was 2 feet to the left in a different hole.

Needless to say, I use a stick all the time now.

LW PhD


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Okay LW, what's with the PhD? Phinally Done, as my husband said after he completed his?

Lock Wench wrote: Early in my boxing carrier I stuck my hand in a hole while searching for a letterbox only to find someone had stuffed this hole with used toilet paper. The letterbox was 2 feet to the left in a different hole.

Needless to say, I use a stick all the time now.

LW PhD

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Finding letterboxes is fun! There is no two ways around it. When my
daughter and I started it was because we needed a hobby. Her mother
can take a Dell or PennyPress puzzle book to the extreme. I mean
till there's nothing else around. I don't know about running up your
count, I just know it's fun. The high I get from finding a
particullarly good box is unmatchable. I am on one right now. Gracy
and I just got back from a hunt that is to be a favorite of mine. I
could never discourage letterboxing, or endorse it not being a good
idea, I just want each and every one of you to be very careful. It's
clear that the more we move into society, the more society moves
into us.
As for who placed the glass... I would not begin to presume the
planter did it. Although they have not contacted me again, the box
was there. If they had placed glass they would have placed the glass
alone or on a decoy box. There were other stamps in the logbook. I
think some hooligan did it. Yes, that's right, I said hooligan. Now,
I'm sorry you had to hear that come out of me but, garsh darnit they
get what they pay for. :)


--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "pell_lake_girl"
wrote:
>
> Wow. What a horrible experience. I am so sorry this happened to
oyu. Do you think the
> letterboxer did this. or perhaps some non-letterboxer discovered
th ebox and thought it
> would be "funny" to do this to the next person?
>
> I guess this puts a new spin on our recent discussion as to
rushing to find boxes and add
> up your count not being a good idea.
>
> Freelance Mystic
>
>
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> >
> > The first thought that went through my
> > head was
> > "Lord, what have I uncovered?" That was when the pain became
> > evident. When I
> > looked down, both of my hands and the ground in front of me were
> > covered with
> > blood. From the pain, I knew it must be mine. There was broken
glass
> > in the
> > hole. It was big pieces of glass. It appeared that someone had
> > broken 3 or 4
> > beer bottles and filled the hole with glass before they covered
the
> > box.
>

Ouite honestly, I have spent most of my time on AQ, as I find it a
little easier to navigate. I have noticed the link to Yahoogroups
time and time again, but I was usually searching for something else.
If you will look at AQ you will notice, I don't post much there
either. My daughter and I had just returned the other night from a
good outing and I was entering in our finds and the mood just struck
me to join. As for the message, we had been back to Sparta and had a
wonderful time, and Gracy brought it up on the way home.
Thanks for the welcome. I like the fellowship.

--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, TJ_Mich wrote:
>
> Sorry to hear about this sad incident.
>
> As you call yourself a "die-hard boxer," I found it interesting
that you had just creatd your profile and joined the letterbox-usa
Yahoo! group yesterday, the same day you posted this message.
Welcome to our group! Glad to know that this situation has not
soured you on the fun of letterboxing and you are still interested
in conversing with other 'boxers.
>
> --TJ_Mich
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Wendell Jones
> To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 9:51:03 PM
> Subject: [LbNA] Carry a big stick!
>
> I know the season is getting late. I know the weather is turning
> cold I know
> with the holidays approaching people have other things on their
> minds, but
> there are a few of us die-hards out there. Those of us who would
> search for the
> last LB in the midst of a blizzard need to know this. I haven't
been
> at it as long as some of you but I am really hooked. There is a
> wonderful spot
> near Sparta, TN where a wonderful box has been planted. The clue
is
> more than
> moderately intriguing. The stamp, for a store bought, is cute
enough
> and fits
> right there in my logbook without disturbing or quarreling with
the
> other stamps.
> All in all it was a great hunt, find & a good day out with my
> daughter...until.
> We stopped at a store to ask concerning the road in the clue, as
it
> was miss-named in the clue. While at the country market we used
the
> bathroom, gassed up,
> got refreshments and directions (as best as they could make out
> without telling
> them we were looking for a letter box) and then we were off again.
> As it fell,
> the assistance they gave us was profitable. They led us directly
to
> what looked
> like it ought to be the place. There was one piece of the puzzle
> that we could
> not find. We got out of our vehicle and walked around a bit and lo
> and behold
> my daughter found the place where the box was supposed to be. Now,
> here is a
> tip for all of you boxers out there, whether avid boxers or just
> week-end
> enthusiasts. If you have to uncover a box, please, please, please
> use a stick.
> If a stick is not available, leave the box where it is. Our clue
> said to move a
> stone that stood tall. Then we were to dig under that stone. I
> realize it is
> against etiquette to bury one in the ground but the clue said "dig
> deep". I have
> of late put a small spade with my boxing gear for such occaisions.
> At any rate,
> we moved the tall stone, I reached down and started scooping with
my
> hand until
> my daughter started screaming. I looked up at her and noticed she
> was starring
> down at where I was digging. The first thought that went through
my
> head was
> "Lord, what have I uncovered?" That was when the pain became
> evident. When I
> looked down, both of my hands and the ground in front of me were
> covered with
> blood. From the pain, I knew it must be mine. There was broken
glass
> in the
> hole. It was big pieces of glass. It appeared that someone had
> broken 3 or 4
> beer bottles and filled the hole with glass before they covered
the
> box. God
> bless my girl, she gave me her outer shirt ( she had a flannel
over
> a T-shirt)
> and I wrapped up as best as I could. Now, as if you haven't been
> rubbed enough, here's the real rub. We drove
> to a nearby hospital and were told that the attending physician
was
> on the
> golf corse and that they would have to page him. They started
> processing my
> paperwork and then notified me that he would not accept my
> insurance. The
> hospital would but the doctor would not. At this we left and drove
> all the way
> back to Middle Tennessee Medical Center in Rutherford County. I
had
> 5 stitches
> in the tips of the first two fingers of my right hand; 17 stitches
> on the back
> of my right hand (split between 3 different cuts);6 stitches in
the
> palm of my
> right hand; I had cut into the ligament in my middle finger on my
> left hand,
> and for about 1/4 of an inch I would have lost the tip of my left
> pinky. You
> would think a body would feel something like that. I know I have
> wondered time
> and time again how I didn't. My point is this. I am a die-hard
> boxer. I have
> been warned about putting myself at risk a hundred times. It is
when
> you least
> expect it that injury will reach out and nab you. I was merely
> digging up a
> box. I recall actually racing with Gracy to the box to see who
would
> get to
> pull it out. My horror is, what if she had beaten me to it. We
> contacted the
> owner of the box and they said they would check on it. We never
> heard anything
> back from them.
> As it turned out this box was really there. My daughter and I went
> back a few
> weeks later and found it. We took a small spade with us. It is
now,
> as I said
> before, a permanent part of our gear. The glass was still in the
> hole. I was
> surprised at how much glass it was. You could still see the blood
on
> the
> ground. We scooped the glass out (along with the dirt) logged our
> find, and
> then walked back into the woods a piece where we dug up some good
> dirt in a
> coffee can and refilled the hole. At last check, the box was just
> under the
> stone, and Gracy and I were the last two to log it. I am thinking
it
> to be
> abandoned. I am also thinking it to be someone elses headache.
Just
> read
> all clues carefully. If you find a clue in this particullar area
> with anything at
> all familliar sounding about it, please take a spade or a shovel.
At
> least use
> a stick. I am back to work, back to boxing, back to basics and
> taking fewer
> risks. It sobers you up when your children witness your stupidity.
> My first two
> fingers on my left hand are still numb. The doctor says they will
> likely always
> be.
>
> Wendell Jones
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, mjpepe1@... wrote:
>
> http://letterboxingsecurity.blogspot.com/
>
> Mark
>
Thanks Mark

Don

There are thousands of boxers in the US who are not a member of any chat
list, web site, or other related thing. They are still boxers, some I would
call DIE HARD. There is nothing that says you have to be connected to the
internet to letterbox. If youre out looking for boxes in driving rain, in
the snow, in the dark, in the wee hours of the morning, when you should be
cleaning house, when you drag your friends with you and your family. When
you plan your travel around boxes.. youre a die hard. It has nothing to do
with when you signed up for the list!



Maiden definite die hard!

_____



--- In HYPERLINK
"mailto:letterbox-usa%40yahoogroups.com"letterbox-usa@-yahoogroups.-com,
TJ_Mich wrote:
>
> Sorry to hear about this sad incident.
>
> As you call yourself a "die-hard boxer," I found it interesting
that you had just creatd your profile and joined the letterbox-usa
Yahoo! group yesterday, the same day you posted this message.
Welcome to our group! Glad to know that this situation has not
soured you on the fun of letterboxing and you are still interested
in conversing with other 'boxers.
>
> --TJ_Mich
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Wendell Jones
> To: HYPERLINK
"mailto:letterbox-usa%40yahoogroups.com"letterbox-usa@-yahoogroups.-com
> Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 9:51:03 PM
> Subject: [LbNA] Carry a big stick!
>
> I know the season is getting late. I know the weather is turning
> cold I know
> with the holidays approaching people have other things on their
> minds, but
> there are a few of us die-hards out there. Those of us who would
> search for the
> last LB in the midst of a blizzard need to know this. I haven't
been
> at it as long as some of you but I am really hooked. There is a
> wonderful spot
> near Sparta, TN where a wonderful box has been planted. The clue
is
> more than
> moderately intriguing. The stamp, for a store bought, is cute
enough
> and fits
> right there in my logbook without disturbing or quarreling with
the
> other stamps.
> All in all it was a great hunt, find & a good day out with my
> daughter...until.
> We stopped at a store to ask concerning the road in the clue, as
it
> was miss-named in the clue. While at the country market we used
the
> bathroom, gassed up,
> got refreshments and directions (as best as they could make out
> without telling
> them we were looking for a letter box) and then we were off again.
> As it fell,
> the assistance they gave us was profitable. They led us directly
to
> what looked
> like it ought to be the place. There was one piece of the puzzle
> that we could
> not find. We got out of our vehicle and walked around a bit and lo
> and behold
> my daughter found the place where the box was supposed to be. Now,
> here is a
> tip for all of you boxers out there, whether avid boxers or just
> week-end
> enthusiasts. If you have to uncover a box, please, please, please
> use a stick.
> If a stick is not available, leave the box where it is. Our clue
> said to move a
> stone that stood tall. Then we were to dig under that stone. I
> realize it is
> against etiquette to bury one in the ground but the clue said "dig
> deep". I have
> of late put a small spade with my boxing gear for such occaisions.
> At any rate,
> we moved the tall stone, I reached down and started scooping with
my
> hand until
> my daughter started screaming. I looked up at her and noticed she
> was starring
> down at where I was digging. The first thought that went through
my
> head was
> "Lord, what have I uncovered?" That was when the pain became
> evident. When I
> looked down, both of my hands and the ground in front of me were
> covered with
> blood. From the pain, I knew it must be mine. There was broken
glass
> in the
> hole. It was big pieces of glass. It appeared that someone had
> broken 3 or 4
> beer bottles and filled the hole with glass before they covered
the
> box. God
> bless my girl, she gave me her outer shirt ( she had a flannel
over
> a T-shirt)
> and I wrapped up as best as I could. Now, as if you haven't been
> rubbed enough, here's the real rub. We drove
> to a nearby hospital and were told that the attending physician
was
> on the
> golf corse and that they would have to page him. They started
> processing my
> paperwork and then notified me that he would not accept my
> insurance. The
> hospital would but the doctor would not. At this we left and drove
> all the way
> back to Middle Tennessee Medical Center in Rutherford County. I
had
> 5 stitches
> in the tips of the first two fingers of my right hand; 17 stitches
> on the back
> of my right hand (split between 3 different cuts);6 stitches in
the
> palm of my
> right hand; I had cut into the ligament in my middle finger on my
> left hand,
> and for about 1/4 of an inch I would have lost the tip of my left
> pinky. You
> would think a body would feel something like that. I know I have
> wondered time
> and time again how I didn't. My point is this. I am a die-hard
> boxer. I have
> been warned about putting myself at risk a hundred times. It is
when
> you least
> expect it that injury will reach out and nab you. I was merely
> digging up a
> box. I recall actually racing with Gracy to the box to see who
would
> get to
> pull it out. My horror is, what if she had beaten me to it. We
> contacted the
> owner of the box and they said they would check on it. We never
> heard anything
> back from them.
> As it turned out this box was really there. My daughter and I went
> back a few
> weeks later and found it. We took a small spade with us. It is
now,
> as I said
> before, a permanent part of our gear. The glass was still in the
> hole. I was
> surprised at how much glass it was. You could still see the blood
on
> the
> ground. We scooped the glass out (along with the dirt) logged our
> find, and
> then walked back into the woods a piece where we dug up some good
> dirt in a
> coffee can and refilled the hole. At last check, the box was just
> under the
> stone, and Gracy and I were the last two to log it. I am thinking
it
> to be
> abandoned. I am also thinking it to be someone elses headache.
Just
> read
> all clues carefully. If you find a clue in this particullar area
> with anything at
> all familliar sounding about it, please take a spade or a shovel.
At
> least use
> a stick. I am back to work, back to boxing, back to basics and
> taking fewer
> risks. It sobers you up when your children witness your stupidity.
> My first two
> fingers on my left hand are still numb. The doctor says they will
> likely always
> be.
>
> Wendell Jones
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>




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Thanks for making us all aware of this terrible thing that can happen
with this hobby of ours.

I was thinking of rattle snakes when i started reading the post........

Budster of the Catskills

LBMA's Miz Scarlet is a perfect example of that. She has been boxing longer than some of the moderators, been to Dartmoor several years ago, but didn't find the chat lists until a couple of years ago. And is quite the die-hard carver and boxer. She's quite a gal our Miz Scarlet!

Melanie wrote:

There are thousands of boxers in the US who are not a member of any chat
list, web site, or other related thing. They are still boxers, some I would
call DIE HARD. There is nothing that says you have to be connected to the
internet to letterbox. If youre out looking for boxes in driving rain, in
the snow, in the dark, in the wee hours of the morning, when you should be
cleaning house, when you drag your friends with you and your family. When
you plan your travel around boxes.. youre a die hard. It has nothing to do
with when you signed up for the list!



Maiden definite die hard!

_____



--- In HYPERLINK
"mailto:letterbox-usa%40yahoogroups.com"letterbox-usa@-yahoogroups.-com,
TJ_Mich wrote:
>
> Sorry to hear about this sad incident.
>
> As you call yourself a "die-hard boxer," I found it interesting
that you had just creatd your profile and joined the letterbox-usa
Yahoo! group yesterday, the same day you posted this message.
Welcome to our group! Glad to know that this situation has not
soured you on the fun of letterboxing and you are still interested
in conversing with other 'boxers.
>
> --TJ_Mich
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Wendell Jones
> To: HYPERLINK
"mailto:letterbox-usa%40yahoogroups.com"letterbox-usa@-yahoogroups.-com
> Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 9:51:03 PM
> Subject: [LbNA] Carry a big stick!
>
> I know the season is getting late. I know the weather is turning
> cold I know
> with the holidays approaching people have other things on their
> minds, but
> there are a few of us die-hards out there. Those of us who would
> search for the
> last LB in the midst of a blizzard need to know this. I haven't
been
> at it as long as some of you but I am really hooked. There is a
> wonderful spot
> near Sparta, TN where a wonderful box has been planted. The clue
is
> more than
> moderately intriguing. The stamp, for a store bought, is cute
enough
> and fits
> right there in my logbook without disturbing or quarreling with
the
> other stamps.
> All in all it was a great hunt, find & a good day out with my
> daughter...until.
> We stopped at a store to ask concerning the road in the clue, as
it
> was miss-named in the clue. While at the country market we used
the
> bathroom, gassed up,
> got refreshments and directions (as best as they could make out
> without telling
> them we were looking for a letter box) and then we were off again.
> As it fell,
> the assistance they gave us was profitable. They led us directly
to
> what looked
> like it ought to be the place. There was one piece of the puzzle
> that we could
> not find. We got out of our vehicle and walked around a bit and lo
> and behold
> my daughter found the place where the box was supposed to be. Now,
> here is a
> tip for all of you boxers out there, whether avid boxers or just
> week-end
> enthusiasts. If you have to uncover a box, please, please, please
> use a stick.
> If a stick is not available, leave the box where it is. Our clue
> said to move a
> stone that stood tall. Then we were to dig under that stone. I
> realize it is
> against etiquette to bury one in the ground but the clue said "dig
> deep". I have
> of late put a small spade with my boxing gear for such occaisions.
> At any rate,
> we moved the tall stone, I reached down and started scooping with
my
> hand until
> my daughter started screaming. I looked up at her and noticed she
> was starring
> down at where I was digging. The first thought that went through
my
> head was
> "Lord, what have I uncovered?" That was when the pain became
> evident. When I
> looked down, both of my hands and the ground in front of me were
> covered with
> blood. From the pain, I knew it must be mine. There was broken
glass
> in the
> hole. It was big pieces of glass. It appeared that someone had
> broken 3 or 4
> beer bottles and filled the hole with glass before they covered
the
> box. God
> bless my girl, she gave me her outer shirt ( she had a flannel
over
> a T-shirt)
> and I wrapped up as best as I could. Now, as if you haven't been
> rubbed enough, here's the real rub. We drove
> to a nearby hospital and were told that the attending physician
was
> on the
> golf corse and that they would have to page him. They started
> processing my
> paperwork and then notified me that he would not accept my
> insurance. The
> hospital would but the doctor would not. At this we left and drove
> all the way
> back to Middle Tennessee Medical Center in Rutherford County. I
had
> 5 stitches
> in the tips of the first two fingers of my right hand; 17 stitches
> on the back
> of my right hand (split between 3 different cuts);6 stitches in
the
> palm of my
> right hand; I had cut into the ligament in my middle finger on my
> left hand,
> and for about 1/4 of an inch I would have lost the tip of my left
> pinky. You
> would think a body would feel something like that. I know I have
> wondered time
> and time again how I didn't. My point is this. I am a die-hard
> boxer. I have
> been warned about putting myself at risk a hundred times. It is
when
> you least
> expect it that injury will reach out and nab you. I was merely
> digging up a
> box. I recall actually racing with Gracy to the box to see who
would
> get to
> pull it out. My horror is, what if she had beaten me to it. We
> contacted the
> owner of the box and they said they would check on it. We never
> heard anything
> back from them.
> As it turned out this box was really there. My daughter and I went
> back a few
> weeks later and found it. We took a small spade with us. It is
now,
> as I said
> before, a permanent part of our gear. The glass was still in the
> hole. I was
> surprised at how much glass it was. You could still see the blood
on
> the
> ground. We scooped the glass out (along with the dirt) logged our
> find, and
> then walked back into the woods a piece where we dug up some good
> dirt in a
> coffee can and refilled the hole. At last check, the box was just
> under the
> stone, and Gracy and I were the last two to log it. I am thinking
it
> to be
> abandoned. I am also thinking it to be someone elses headache.
Just
> read
> all clues carefully. If you find a clue in this particullar area
> with anything at
> all familliar sounding about it, please take a spade or a shovel.
At
> least use
> a stick. I am back to work, back to boxing, back to basics and
> taking fewer
> risks. It sobers you up when your children witness your stupidity.
> My first two
> fingers on my left hand are still numb. The doctor says they will
> likely always
> be.
>
> Wendell Jones
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>




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I just read the this initial post tonight and I thought ... what
letterboxer writes clues that "require digging?" If I saw clues
mentioning digging, I would not seek it, and I might be inclined to
privately email the placer and ask if that is his/her intent. Then I
would gently remind him/her of the environmental impact and request he/she
rethink the written clues. Am I missing something here?

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Maiden wrote:

There are thousands of boxers in the US who are not a member of any chat
list, web site, or other related thing. They are still boxers, some I would
call DIE HARD. There is nothing that says you have to be connected to the
internet to letterbox. If you're out looking for boxes in driving rain, in
the snow, in the dark, in the wee hours of the morning, when you should be
cleaning house, when you drag your friends with you and your family. When
you plan your travel around boxes.. you're a die hard. It has nothing to do
with when you signed up for the list!

Maiden definite die hard!


**************************


Maiden,

I LOVE this definition! It makes all my little quirks seem so - normal.

--
Barefoot Lucy, DCP (who is going back to her planning of a weekend
trip to see how many boxes she can nonchalantly slip in while
pretending to have only the objective of the trip in mind)
"It's not about footwear, it's about philosophy"

Wow! The worst we've found is a big ol snake, the non-poisonous
kind.

But, this is why I don't letterbox alone anywhere that dogs can't
go. I have two biggish dogs, and unless I'm attacked by a woman or a
child, I am reasonably certain they would both do their collective
best to protect me. At the least, they have wicked scary barks! I
just don't feel safe in the woods alone anymore-I haven't since I
was a child.

Glad to hear you are healing-I can't imagine HOW the glass could
have gotten there...it just seems so freaky!

stargazermomma


--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "Wendell Jones"
wrote:
>
> I know the season is getting late. I know the weather is turning
> cold I know
> with the holidays approaching people have other things on their
> minds, but
> there are a few of us die-hards out there. Those of us who would
> search for the
> last LB in the midst of a blizzard need to know this. I haven't
been
> at it as long as some of you but I am really hooked. There is a
> wonderful spot
> near Sparta, TN where a wonderful box has been planted. The clue
is
> more than
> moderately intriguing. The stamp, for a store bought, is cute
enough
> and fits
> right there in my logbook without disturbing or quarreling with
the
> other stamps.
> All in all it was a great hunt, find & a good day out with my
> daughter...until.
> We stopped at a store to ask concerning the road in the clue, as
it
> was miss-named in the clue. While at the country market we used
the
> bathroom, gassed up,
> got refreshments and directions (as best as they could make out
> without telling
> them we were looking for a letter box) and then we were off again.
> As it fell,
> the assistance they gave us was profitable. They led us directly
to
> what looked
> like it ought to be the place. There was one piece of the puzzle
> that we could
> not find. We got out of our vehicle and walked around a bit and lo
> and behold
> my daughter found the place where the box was supposed to be. Now,
> here is a
> tip for all of you boxers out there, whether avid boxers or just
> week-end
> enthusiasts. If you have to uncover a box, please, please, please
> use a stick.
> If a stick is not available, leave the box where it is. Our clue
> said to move a
> stone that stood tall. Then we were to dig under that stone. I
> realize it is
> against etiquette to bury one in the ground but the clue said "dig
> deep". I have
> of late put a small spade with my boxing gear for such occaisions.
> At any rate,
> we moved the tall stone, I reached down and started scooping with
my
> hand until
> my daughter started screaming. I looked up at her and noticed she
> was starring
> down at where I was digging. The first thought that went through
my
> head was
> "Lord, what have I uncovered?" That was when the pain became
> evident. When I
> looked down, both of my hands and the ground in front of me were
> covered with
> blood. From the pain, I knew it must be mine. There was broken
glass
> in the
> hole. It was big pieces of glass. It appeared that someone had
> broken 3 or 4
> beer bottles and filled the hole with glass before they covered
the
> box. God
> bless my girl, she gave me her outer shirt ( she had a flannel
over
> a T-shirt)
> and I wrapped up as best as I could. Now, as if you haven't been
> rubbed enough, here's the real rub. We drove
> to a nearby hospital and were told that the attending physician
was
> on the
> golf corse and that they would have to page him. They started
> processing my
> paperwork and then notified me that he would not accept my
> insurance. The
> hospital would but the doctor would not. At this we left and drove
> all the way
> back to Middle Tennessee Medical Center in Rutherford County. I
had
> 5 stitches
> in the tips of the first two fingers of my right hand; 17 stitches
> on the back
> of my right hand (split between 3 different cuts);6 stitches in
the
> palm of my
> right hand; I had cut into the ligament in my middle finger on my
> left hand,
> and for about 1/4 of an inch I would have lost the tip of my left
> pinky. You
> would think a body would feel something like that. I know I have
> wondered time
> and time again how I didn't. My point is this. I am a die-hard
> boxer. I have
> been warned about putting myself at risk a hundred times. It is
when
> you least
> expect it that injury will reach out and nab you. I was merely
> digging up a
> box. I recall actually racing with Gracy to the box to see who
would
> get to
> pull it out. My horror is, what if she had beaten me to it. We
> contacted the
> owner of the box and they said they would check on it. We never
> heard anything
> back from them.
> As it turned out this box was really there. My daughter and I went
> back a few
> weeks later and found it. We took a small spade with us. It is
now,
> as I said
> before, a permanent part of our gear. The glass was still in the
> hole. I was
> surprised at how much glass it was. You could still see the blood
on
> the
> ground. We scooped the glass out (along with the dirt) logged our
> find, and
> then walked back into the woods a piece where we dug up some good
> dirt in a
> coffee can and refilled the hole. At last check, the box was just
> under the
> stone, and Gracy and I were the last two to log it. I am thinking
it
> to be
> abandoned. I am also thinking it to be someone elses headache.
Just
> read
> all clues carefully. If you find a clue in this particullar area
> with anything at
> all familliar sounding about it, please take a spade or a shovel.
At
> least use
> a stick. I am back to work, back to boxing, back to basics and
> taking fewer
> risks. It sobers you up when your children witness your stupidity.
> My first two
> fingers on my left hand are still numb. The doctor says they will
> likely always
> be.
>
> Wendell Jones
>

Scanning the posts I saw my name and thought"Oh, crap what did I do now". Then I saw it
was HnH. Whew, what a relief. Looking forward to the Tyler gather. These days I need a
gather to get any boxes at all.

--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, Hikers and Hounds wrote:
>
> LBMA's Miz Scarlet is a perfect example of that. She has been boxing longer than some of
the moderators, been to Dartmoor several years ago, but didn't find the chat lists until a
couple of years ago. And is quite the die-hard carver and boxer. She's quite a gal our Miz
Scarlet!
>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

I was looking for a box in the mountains last week, on an established
trail, and I made sure I took a long pokey stick with me. I left my
hubby (and the dogs) fishing, and the (nearly) 3 year old went with
me. We have black widows & lizards here at home, it's habit for me to
not stick my hand into anything without gloves or a stick! We didn't
find the box, but flushed a lot of quail. It was startling enough that
I was wishing I'd had a dog with me, but they don't like to be
seperated, and there was no way I could handle both of them and the
little one on the trail.

As a bonus, I discovered that when you need both hands to check a clue,
the stick comes in mighty handy. I stuck one end in the ground, the
other in my arm, and had my little one hold onto it, since I had to let
go of her hand!

Sticks are very useful!

xo, Beach Celt

Just a reminder regarding burying boxes.

From: http://www.letterboxing.org/faq/faq.html#007
Hiding it under rocks and natural rock ledges seems to work the best,
followed by downed, hollow logs. .... I recommend against burying the
thing, because you don't want people digging in parks, many of which
have artifacts buried and restrictions against digging -- such activity
will give the hobby a bad name.
From: http://www.letterboxing.org/GettingStarted/getstart_finding.htm
Letterboxing is intended to be an environmentally friendly activity,
with as little impact as possible on the environment involved in hunting
for letterboxes. .... Do not disturb any historical landmark or private
property. Do not dig, remove native vegetation, disturb natural rock
formations, or interfere with animals or their habitats.
From: http://www.atlasquest.com/aboutlb/rules/leavenotrace.html
Care must be taken in both planting and finding letterboxes. While
planting a letterbox, avoid environmentally sensitive areas. .... Use
natural hiding places for your letterbox instead of digging holes or
moving large rocks.
From: http://www.letterboxing.info/articles/00000004.php
When placing letterboxes, ...You should also take care when hiding a
letterbox not to damage the immediate area. Do not tear bark off a tree
to cover up a box, or dig a hole to bury a box, for instance.
Wendell gives us another reason why burying and digging for boxes is not
a good idea. So sorry to hear about your appalling misfortune.





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I just posted a message about burying boxes before seeing your
message. I'm really glad to see someone else is disturbed by the
digging requirement for this box.

Lone R

--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, ruhlette wrote:
>
> I just read the this initial post tonight and I thought ... what
> letterboxer writes clues that "require digging?" If I saw clues
> mentioning digging, I would not seek it, and I might be inclined to
> privately email the placer and ask if that is his/her intent. Then I
> would gently remind him/her of the environmental impact and request
he/she
> rethink the written clues. Am I missing something here?
>
> speedsquare
>
>
>
>
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That was why I was kind of wondering in the back of my mind if the glass
might not have been put there by the placer. I would certainly hope not.
But the fact that the clues said to dig deep under a tall stone........seems
odd. It also seems odd to me that with such a serious situation, the placer
said they'd check on it, then not only didn't get back to Wendell but also
didn't see fit to go and immediately remove the glass, since the glass was
still there when Wendell returned a few days later. Nor did they post any
note in the clues (as of this morning at least) as to what had happened as a
warning.

In a way, given our litigious society, I can see a placer deciding not to
contact Wendell again. I would consider that "rude" but an attorney might
advise that. On the other hand, I would have immediately gone and removed
the glass or had someone in the area do it and also retired the box from any
websites it was on. Maybe that's overkill but as a placer, I'd be very
upset. Or maybe put a big fat note on the clue page. If I was the placer,
if I wasn't the one who put the glass there, I would be rather upset and
would want to be absolutely sure that box was out of commission anyway so
that whoever did do that wouldn't be returning to do it again. But that's
just what I would do. Like I said, maybe others would consider that
overkill. At the very least, I'd post a warning.

I read the clues and it appears to be a headstone that's over 100 years old.
But maybe it's in the family of the placer and they have permission to have
put a letterbox there. I wouldn't have done any digging whatsoever either
unless I already knew the placer absolutely had permission from the family,
once I saw that it was a headstone. I take that back. I just would've
walked away period. Being as how it's apparently a 100 year old headstone,
I don't think I would have gone after it even if the placer had *had*
permission. I wouldn't have felt right about it.

Wendell, is the hand doing OK? What a bummer of a day.

~~ Mosey ~~


-----Original Message-----
From: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of ontario_cacher
Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 9:09 AM
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [LbNA] Re: Carry a big stick!


I just posted a message about burying boxes before seeing your
message. I'm really glad to see someone else is disturbed by the
digging requirement for this box.

Lone R

--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, ruhlette wrote:
>
> I just read the this initial post tonight and I thought ... what
> letterboxer writes clues that "require digging?" If I saw clues
> mentioning digging, I would not seek it, and I might be inclined to
> privately email the placer and ask if that is his/her intent. Then I
> would gently remind him/her of the environmental impact and request
he/she
> rethink the written clues. Am I missing something here?
>
> speedsquare
>
>
>
>
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EEEWWWW!! I have always had a horror of putting my hand into some unknown place, so I generally carry a pair of leather gloves and use them to pull out boxes even after first probing with a stick for critters. Most of the time I feel a little sissified wearing them just to uncover a box, but you just never know about spiders and snakes and such. Your nasty experience has certainly helped me feel justified in using them!

La Loka


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I wonder if it wouldn't be wise to have someone check on this box in a couple of weeks to see if glass has been put back into the hole. I'm worried that Mosey's suspicions may be correct. Also, should this box be reported and perhaps archived given that it's buried deep under a headstone?

Lone R

xxxxxxxx wrote: That was why I was kind of wondering in the back of my mind if the glass
might not have been put there by the placer. I would certainly hope not.
But the fact that the clues said to dig deep under a tall stone........seems
odd. It also seems odd to me that with such a serious situation, the placer
said they'd check on it, then not only didn't get back to Wendell but also
didn't see fit to go and immediately remove the glass, since the glass was
still there when Wendell returned a few days later. Nor did they post any
note in the clues (as of this morning at least) as to what had happened as a
warning.

In a way, given our litigious society, I can see a placer deciding not to
contact Wendell again. I would consider that "rude" but an attorney might
advise that. On the other hand, I would have immediately gone and removed
the glass or had someone in the area do it and also retired the box from any
websites it was on. Maybe that's overkill but as a placer, I'd be very
upset. Or maybe put a big fat note on the clue page. If I was the placer,
if I wasn't the one who put the glass there, I would be rather upset and
would want to be absolutely sure that box was out of commission anyway so
that whoever did do that wouldn't be returning to do it again. But that's
just what I would do. Like I said, maybe others would consider that
overkill. At the very least, I'd post a warning.

I read the clues and it appears to be a headstone that's over 100 years old.
But maybe it's in the family of the placer and they have permission to have
put a letterbox there. I wouldn't have done any digging whatsoever either
unless I already knew the placer absolutely had permission from the family,
once I saw that it was a headstone. I take that back. I just would've
walked away period. Being as how it's apparently a 100 year old headstone,
I don't think I would have gone after it even if the placer had *had*
permission. I wouldn't have felt right about it.

Wendell, is the hand doing OK? What a bummer of a day.

~~ Mosey ~~

-----Original Message-----
From: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of ontario_cacher
Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 9:09 AM
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [LbNA] Re: Carry a big stick!

I just posted a message about burying boxes before seeing your
message. I'm really glad to see someone else is disturbed by the
digging requirement for this box.

Lone R

--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, ruhlette wrote:
>
> I just read the this initial post tonight and I thought ... what
> letterboxer writes clues that "require digging?" If I saw clues
> mentioning digging, I would not seek it, and I might be inclined to
> privately email the placer and ask if that is his/her intent. Then I
> would gently remind him/her of the environmental impact and request
he/she
> rethink the written clues. Am I missing something here?
>
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Wow! Thank you for coming to my defense. I couldn't have said it
better. Actually, I wasn't going to waste the time, but since you
did, I appreciate it. We are planning a trip to Missouri for
Thanksgiving, and I have already been scoping I-70 out for potential
hits. On the 14th we went to a park in Nashville, had to brave rush
hour traffic; it got dark on us; and when we got to where we thought
the box should be we decided to look for it anyway. Yes, it was
dark, and cold, but we were a fer'piece from home. As soon as we got
out of the truck it began to rain. We looked for the box anyway. I
told Gracy to wait in the truck but she said "No way!" We were
getting pretty dejected after about 15 minutes, when all at once it
just jumped right out at me. It was hidden really well, but the
place that it was at was pretty obvious when I finally saw it. No
one else would know what it was unless they were looking for it. We
got that stamp! We both have head and chest colds now, but we got
that darn stamp.

--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "Melanie"
wrote:
>
>
>
> There are thousands of boxers in the US who are not a member of
any chat
> list, web site, or other related thing. They are still boxers,
some I would
> call DIE HARD. There is nothing that says you have to be connected
to the
> internet to letterbox. If you're out looking for boxes in driving
rain, in
> the snow, in the dark, in the wee hours of the morning, when you
should be
> cleaning house, when you drag your friends with you and your
family. When
> you plan your travel around boxes.. you're a die hard. It has
nothing to do
> with when you signed up for the list!
>
>
>
> Maiden definite die hard!
>
> _____
>
>
>
> --- In HYPERLINK
> "mailto:letterbox-usa%40yahoogroups.com"letterbox-usa@...,
> TJ_Mich wrote:
> >
> > Sorry to hear about this sad incident.
> >
> > As you call yourself a "die-hard boxer," I found it interesting
> that you had just creatd your profile and joined the letterbox-usa
> Yahoo! group yesterday, the same day you posted this message.
> Welcome to our group! Glad to know that this situation has not
> soured you on the fun of letterboxing and you are still interested
> in conversing with other 'boxers.
> >
> > --TJ_Mich
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----
> > From: Wendell Jones
> > To: HYPERLINK
> "mailto:letterbox-usa%40yahoogroups.com"letterbox-usa@...
> > Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 9:51:03 PM
> > Subject: [LbNA] Carry a big stick!
> >
> > I know the season is getting late. I know the weather is turning
> > cold I know
> > with the holidays approaching people have other things on their
> > minds, but
> > there are a few of us die-hards out there. Those of us who would
> > search for the
> > last LB in the midst of a blizzard need to know this. I haven't
> been
> > at it as long as some of you but I am really hooked. There is a
> > wonderful spot
> > near Sparta, TN where a wonderful box has been planted. The clue
> is
> > more than
> > moderately intriguing. The stamp, for a store bought, is cute
> enough
> > and fits
> > right there in my logbook without disturbing or quarreling with
> the
> > other stamps.
> > All in all it was a great hunt, find & a good day out with my
> > daughter...until.
> > We stopped at a store to ask concerning the road in the clue, as
> it
> > was miss-named in the clue. While at the country market we used
> the
> > bathroom, gassed up,
> > got refreshments and directions (as best as they could make out
> > without telling
> > them we were looking for a letter box) and then we were off
again.
> > As it fell,
> > the assistance they gave us was profitable. They led us directly
> to
> > what looked
> > like it ought to be the place. There was one piece of the puzzle
> > that we could
> > not find. We got out of our vehicle and walked around a bit and
lo
> > and behold
> > my daughter found the place where the box was supposed to be.
Now,
> > here is a
> > tip for all of you boxers out there, whether avid boxers or just
> > week-end
> > enthusiasts. If you have to uncover a box, please, please,
please
> > use a stick.
> > If a stick is not available, leave the box where it is. Our clue
> > said to move a
> > stone that stood tall. Then we were to dig under that stone. I
> > realize it is
> > against etiquette to bury one in the ground but the clue
said "dig
> > deep". I have
> > of late put a small spade with my boxing gear for such
occaisions.
> > At any rate,
> > we moved the tall stone, I reached down and started scooping
with
> my
> > hand until
> > my daughter started screaming. I looked up at her and noticed
she
> > was starring
> > down at where I was digging. The first thought that went through
> my
> > head was
> > "Lord, what have I uncovered?" That was when the pain became
> > evident. When I
> > looked down, both of my hands and the ground in front of me were
> > covered with
> > blood. From the pain, I knew it must be mine. There was broken
> glass
> > in the
> > hole. It was big pieces of glass. It appeared that someone had
> > broken 3 or 4
> > beer bottles and filled the hole with glass before they covered
> the
> > box. God
> > bless my girl, she gave me her outer shirt ( she had a flannel
> over
> > a T-shirt)
> > and I wrapped up as best as I could. Now, as if you haven't been
> > rubbed enough, here's the real rub. We drove
> > to a nearby hospital and were told that the attending physician
> was
> > on the
> > golf corse and that they would have to page him. They started
> > processing my
> > paperwork and then notified me that he would not accept my
> > insurance. The
> > hospital would but the doctor would not. At this we left and
drove
> > all the way
> > back to Middle Tennessee Medical Center in Rutherford County. I
> had
> > 5 stitches
> > in the tips of the first two fingers of my right hand; 17
stitches
> > on the back
> > of my right hand (split between 3 different cuts);6 stitches in
> the
> > palm of my
> > right hand; I had cut into the ligament in my middle finger on
my
> > left hand,
> > and for about 1/4 of an inch I would have lost the tip of my
left
> > pinky. You
> > would think a body would feel something like that. I know I have
> > wondered time
> > and time again how I didn't. My point is this. I am a die-hard
> > boxer. I have
> > been warned about putting myself at risk a hundred times. It is
> when
> > you least
> > expect it that injury will reach out and nab you. I was merely
> > digging up a
> > box. I recall actually racing with Gracy to the box to see who
> would
> > get to
> > pull it out. My horror is, what if she had beaten me to it. We
> > contacted the
> > owner of the box and they said they would check on it. We never
> > heard anything
> > back from them.
> > As it turned out this box was really there. My daughter and I
went
> > back a few
> > weeks later and found it. We took a small spade with us. It is
> now,
> > as I said
> > before, a permanent part of our gear. The glass was still in the
> > hole. I was
> > surprised at how much glass it was. You could still see the
blood
> on
> > the
> > ground. We scooped the glass out (along with the dirt) logged
our
> > find, and
> > then walked back into the woods a piece where we dug up some
good
> > dirt in a
> > coffee can and refilled the hole. At last check, the box was
just
> > under the
> > stone, and Gracy and I were the last two to log it. I am
thinking
> it
> > to be
> > abandoned. I am also thinking it to be someone elses headache.
> Just
> > read
> > all clues carefully. If you find a clue in this particullar area
> > with anything at
> > all familliar sounding about it, please take a spade or a
shovel.
> At
> > least use
> > a stick. I am back to work, back to boxing, back to basics and
> > taking fewer
> > risks. It sobers you up when your children witness your
stupidity.
> > My first two
> > fingers on my left hand are still numb. The doctor says they
will
> > likely always
> > be.
> >
> > Wendell Jones
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>
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Die Hard: In my opinion, is a person who is obsessed or consumed by
a particular thing to the point that they had rather do that thing
than just about anything else. As you stated, I am planning my
vacation around what boxes are available along the way. I even found
a couple blue diamond boxes very near our journey. I think I'll get
them first. I am at the point where if someone shows me a picture of
something the first thing that I think of is,"Now, how would I carve
that?"

--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "Melanie"
wrote:
>
>
>
> There are thousands of boxers in the US who are not a member of
any chat
> list, web site, or other related thing. They are still boxers,
some I would
> call DIE HARD. There is nothing that says you have to be connected
to the
> internet to letterbox. If you're out looking for boxes in driving
rain, in
> the snow, in the dark, in the wee hours of the morning, when you
should be
> cleaning house, when you drag your friends with you and your
family. When
> you plan your travel around boxes.. you're a die hard. It has
nothing to do
> with when you signed up for the list!
>
>
>
> Maiden definite die hard!
>
> _____
>
>
>
> --- In HYPERLINK
> "mailto:letterbox-usa%40yahoogroups.com"letterbox-usa@...,
> TJ_Mich wrote:
> >
> > Sorry to hear about this sad incident.
> >
> > As you call yourself a "die-hard boxer," I found it interesting
> that you had just creatd your profile and joined the letterbox-usa
> Yahoo! group yesterday, the same day you posted this message.
> Welcome to our group! Glad to know that this situation has not
> soured you on the fun of letterboxing and you are still interested
> in conversing with other 'boxers.
> >
> > --TJ_Mich
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----
> > From: Wendell Jones
> > To: HYPERLINK
> "mailto:letterbox-usa%40yahoogroups.com"letterbox-usa@...
> > Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 9:51:03 PM
> > Subject: [LbNA] Carry a big stick!
> >
> > I know the season is getting late. I know the weather is turning
> > cold I know
> > with the holidays approaching people have other things on their
> > minds, but
> > there are a few of us die-hards out there. Those of us who would
> > search for the
> > last LB in the midst of a blizzard need to know this. I haven't
> been
> > at it as long as some of you but I am really hooked. There is a
> > wonderful spot
> > near Sparta, TN where a wonderful box has been planted. The clue
> is
> > more than
> > moderately intriguing. The stamp, for a store bought, is cute
> enough
> > and fits
> > right there in my logbook without disturbing or quarreling with
> the
> > other stamps.
> > All in all it was a great hunt, find & a good day out with my
> > daughter...until.
> > We stopped at a store to ask concerning the road in the clue, as
> it
> > was miss-named in the clue. While at the country market we used
> the
> > bathroom, gassed up,
> > got refreshments and directions (as best as they could make out
> > without telling
> > them we were looking for a letter box) and then we were off
again.
> > As it fell,
> > the assistance they gave us was profitable. They led us directly
> to
> > what looked
> > like it ought to be the place. There was one piece of the puzzle
> > that we could
> > not find. We got out of our vehicle and walked around a bit and
lo
> > and behold
> > my daughter found the place where the box was supposed to be.
Now,
> > here is a
> > tip for all of you boxers out there, whether avid boxers or just
> > week-end
> > enthusiasts. If you have to uncover a box, please, please,
please
> > use a stick.
> > If a stick is not available, leave the box where it is. Our clue
> > said to move a
> > stone that stood tall. Then we were to dig under that stone. I
> > realize it is
> > against etiquette to bury one in the ground but the clue
said "dig
> > deep". I have
> > of late put a small spade with my boxing gear for such
occaisions.
> > At any rate,
> > we moved the tall stone, I reached down and started scooping
with
> my
> > hand until
> > my daughter started screaming. I looked up at her and noticed
she
> > was starring
> > down at where I was digging. The first thought that went through
> my
> > head was
> > "Lord, what have I uncovered?" That was when the pain became
> > evident. When I
> > looked down, both of my hands and the ground in front of me were
> > covered with
> > blood. From the pain, I knew it must be mine. There was broken
> glass
> > in the
> > hole. It was big pieces of glass. It appeared that someone had
> > broken 3 or 4
> > beer bottles and filled the hole with glass before they covered
> the
> > box. God
> > bless my girl, she gave me her outer shirt ( she had a flannel
> over
> > a T-shirt)
> > and I wrapped up as best as I could. Now, as if you haven't been
> > rubbed enough, here's the real rub. We drove
> > to a nearby hospital and were told that the attending physician
> was
> > on the
> > golf corse and that they would have to page him. They started
> > processing my
> > paperwork and then notified me that he would not accept my
> > insurance. The
> > hospital would but the doctor would not. At this we left and
drove
> > all the way
> > back to Middle Tennessee Medical Center in Rutherford County. I
> had
> > 5 stitches
> > in the tips of the first two fingers of my right hand; 17
stitches
> > on the back
> > of my right hand (split between 3 different cuts);6 stitches in
> the
> > palm of my
> > right hand; I had cut into the ligament in my middle finger on
my
> > left hand,
> > and for about 1/4 of an inch I would have lost the tip of my
left
> > pinky. You
> > would think a body would feel something like that. I know I have
> > wondered time
> > and time again how I didn't. My point is this. I am a die-hard
> > boxer. I have
> > been warned about putting myself at risk a hundred times. It is
> when
> > you least
> > expect it that injury will reach out and nab you. I was merely
> > digging up a
> > box. I recall actually racing with Gracy to the box to see who
> would
> > get to
> > pull it out. My horror is, what if she had beaten me to it. We
> > contacted the
> > owner of the box and they said they would check on it. We never
> > heard anything
> > back from them.
> > As it turned out this box was really there. My daughter and I
went
> > back a few
> > weeks later and found it. We took a small spade with us. It is
> now,
> > as I said
> > before, a permanent part of our gear. The glass was still in the
> > hole. I was
> > surprised at how much glass it was. You could still see the
blood
> on
> > the
> > ground. We scooped the glass out (along with the dirt) logged
our
> > find, and
> > then walked back into the woods a piece where we dug up some
good
> > dirt in a
> > coffee can and refilled the hole. At last check, the box was
just
> > under the
> > stone, and Gracy and I were the last two to log it. I am
thinking
> it
> > to be
> > abandoned. I am also thinking it to be someone elses headache.
> Just
> > read
> > all clues carefully. If you find a clue in this particullar area
> > with anything at
> > all familliar sounding about it, please take a spade or a
shovel.
> At
> > least use
> > a stick. I am back to work, back to boxing, back to basics and
> > taking fewer
> > risks. It sobers you up when your children witness your
stupidity.
> > My first two
> > fingers on my left hand are still numb. The doctor says they
will
> > likely always
> > be.
> >
> > Wendell Jones
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>
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There is a park here in my home town that has the most wonderful
trails. It has an easy one of about 2 miles, a moderate cragg trail of
about 4 miles and an extra trail in the middle that you can add onto
either of the others that adds another mile of climbing and hard rock
hiking. It would be perfect for a couple of boxes, but they will not
permit them as there are too many rattle snakes there.

--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, budster2@... wrote:
>
> Thanks for making us all aware of this terrible thing that can happen
> with this hobby of ours.
>
> I was thinking of rattle snakes when i started reading the
post........
>
> Budster of the Catskills
>

Great point! Now-a-days we have to drive so far to find boxes we
haven't gotten already, so we do avoid the ones that require
anything other than scooping leaves away, or turning over rocks. At
the time we were trying to get all the ones that were within 25-50
miles of the house. This wass a little farther than that, but we
decided to go for it while we were in the area. Lesson learned, I
assure you.

--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, ruhlette wrote:
>
> I just read the this initial post tonight and I thought ... what
> letterboxer writes clues that "require digging?" If I saw clues
> mentioning digging, I would not seek it, and I might be inclined to
> privately email the placer and ask if that is his/her intent.
Then I
> would gently remind him/her of the environmental impact and
request he/she
> rethink the written clues. Am I missing something here?
>
> speedsquare
>
>
>
>
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OK, first of all, yes the hands are fine. I still have a bit of
numbness in two fingers on my left hand but I can live with it. As
long as it doesn't effect picking the guitar or the mandolin I can
live with it...as the doctor said I would have to.
Secondly, it is not a headstone. It is behind a grave that is over
100 years old but the original headstone is still there. The rock in
the clue is a secondary rock that is behind the grave. It is about 2
feet away, and it is just a piece of limestone. It is an odd shape,
but it is not "the" or "a" headstone. I would not have tampered with
a grave, or a grave yard, but as you saw in the clue, it was the
only one there. It was the only thing there, but for a few trees.
Whoever kept this lone grave sure tended it very well, as they had
it mulched and lined with monkey grass. The stone however was a
couple feet away from the grave.

--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "xxxxxxxx"
wrote:
>
> That was why I was kind of wondering in the back of my mind if the
glass
> might not have been put there by the placer. I would certainly
hope not.
> But the fact that the clues said to dig deep under a tall
stone........seems
> odd. It also seems odd to me that with such a serious situation,
the placer
> said they'd check on it, then not only didn't get back to Wendell
but also
> didn't see fit to go and immediately remove the glass, since the
glass was
> still there when Wendell returned a few days later. Nor did they
post any
> note in the clues (as of this morning at least) as to what had
happened as a
> warning.
>
> In a way, given our litigious society, I can see a placer deciding
not to
> contact Wendell again. I would consider that "rude" but an
attorney might
> advise that. On the other hand, I would have immediately gone and
removed
> the glass or had someone in the area do it and also retired the
box from any
> websites it was on. Maybe that's overkill but as a placer, I'd be
very
> upset. Or maybe put a big fat note on the clue page. If I was
the placer,
> if I wasn't the one who put the glass there, I would be rather
upset and
> would want to be absolutely sure that box was out of commission
anyway so
> that whoever did do that wouldn't be returning to do it again.
But that's
> just what I would do. Like I said, maybe others would consider
that
> overkill. At the very least, I'd post a warning.
>
> I read the clues and it appears to be a headstone that's over 100
years old.
> But maybe it's in the family of the placer and they have
permission to have
> put a letterbox there. I wouldn't have done any digging
whatsoever either
> unless I already knew the placer absolutely had permission from
the family,
> once I saw that it was a headstone. I take that back. I just
would've
> walked away period. Being as how it's apparently a 100 year old
headstone,
> I don't think I would have gone after it even if the placer had
*had*
> permission. I wouldn't have felt right about it.
>
> Wendell, is the hand doing OK? What a bummer of a day.
>
> ~~ Mosey ~~
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of ontario_cacher
> Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 9:09 AM
> To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [LbNA] Re: Carry a big stick!
>
>
> I just posted a message about burying boxes before seeing your
> message. I'm really glad to see someone else is disturbed by the
> digging requirement for this box.
>
> Lone R
>
> --- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, ruhlette wrote:
> >
> > I just read the this initial post tonight and I thought ... what
> > letterboxer writes clues that "require digging?" If I saw clues
> > mentioning digging, I would not seek it, and I might be inclined
to
> > privately email the placer and ask if that is his/her intent.
Then I
> > would gently remind him/her of the environmental impact and
request
> he/she
> > rethink the written clues. Am I missing something here?
> >
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I'm on it! I will be back to Tennessee from vacation on Monday. I
will check on it Tuesday afternoon. If the glass is back then I will
report it, and the planter as well. As for it being under a
gravestone, it is not a gravestone. It is an odd shaped piece of
limestone 2 feet from the single grave that is there. It must be a
piece of land that has been in the same family for years, as it is
still very well tended and cared for. The more I think about it, the
planter not reconnecting with me and all, the more grievous I get. I
just wonder, now, if it was the owner's doing. I certainly hope not.

--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, R wrote:
>
> I wonder if it wouldn't be wise to have someone check on this box
in a couple of weeks to see if glass has been put back into the
hole. I'm worried that Mosey's suspicions may be correct. Also,
should this box be reported and perhaps archived given that it's
buried deep under a headstone?
>
> Lone R
>
> xxxxxxxx wrote:
That was why I was kind of wondering in the back of my mind if the
glass
> might not have been put there by the placer. I would certainly
hope not.
> But the fact that the clues said to dig deep under a tall
stone........seems
> odd. It also seems odd to me that with such a serious situation,
the placer
> said they'd check on it, then not only didn't get back to Wendell
but also
> didn't see fit to go and immediately remove the glass, since the
glass was
> still there when Wendell returned a few days later. Nor did they
post any
> note in the clues (as of this morning at least) as to what had
happened as a
> warning.
>
> In a way, given our litigious society, I can see a placer
deciding not to
> contact Wendell again. I would consider that "rude" but an
attorney might
> advise that. On the other hand, I would have immediately gone
and removed
> the glass or had someone in the area do it and also retired the
box from any
> websites it was on. Maybe that's overkill but as a placer, I'd
be very
> upset. Or maybe put a big fat note on the clue page. If I was
the placer,
> if I wasn't the one who put the glass there, I would be rather
upset and
> would want to be absolutely sure that box was out of commission
anyway so
> that whoever did do that wouldn't be returning to do it again.
But that's
> just what I would do. Like I said, maybe others would consider
that
> overkill. At the very least, I'd post a warning.
>
> I read the clues and it appears to be a headstone that's over 100
years old.
> But maybe it's in the family of the placer and they have
permission to have
> put a letterbox there. I wouldn't have done any digging
whatsoever either
> unless I already knew the placer absolutely had permission from
the family,
> once I saw that it was a headstone. I take that back. I just
would've
> walked away period. Being as how it's apparently a 100 year old
headstone,
> I don't think I would have gone after it even if the placer had
*had*
> permission. I wouldn't have felt right about it.
>
> Wendell, is the hand doing OK? What a bummer of a day.
>
> ~~ Mosey ~~
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of ontario_cacher
> Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 9:09 AM
> To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [LbNA] Re: Carry a big stick!
>
> I just posted a message about burying boxes before seeing your
> message. I'm really glad to see someone else is disturbed by the
> digging requirement for this box.
>
> Lone R
>
> --- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, ruhlette wrote:
> >
> > I just read the this initial post tonight and I thought ... what
> > letterboxer writes clues that "require digging?" If I saw clues
> > mentioning digging, I would not seek it, and I might be
inclined to
> > privately email the placer and ask if that is his/her intent.
Then I
> > would gently remind him/her of the environmental impact and
request
> he/she
> > rethink the written clues. Am I missing something here?
> >
> > speedsquare
> >
> >
> >
> >
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It's good of you to be so vigilant. Glad to hear that the box is not under a tombstone.

Lone R

Wendell Jones wrote: I'm on it! I will be back to Tennessee from vacation on Monday. I
will check on it Tuesday afternoon. If the glass is back then I will
report it, and the planter as well. As for it being under a
gravestone, it is not a gravestone. It is an odd shaped piece of
limestone 2 feet from the single grave that is there. It must be a
piece of land that has been in the same family for years, as it is
still very well tended and cared for. The more I think about it, the
planter not reconnecting with me and all, the more grievous I get. I
just wonder, now, if it was the owner's doing. I certainly hope not.

--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, R wrote:
>
> I wonder if it wouldn't be wise to have someone check on this box
in a couple of weeks to see if glass has been put back into the
hole. I'm worried that Mosey's suspicions may be correct. Also,
should this box be reported and perhaps archived given that it's
buried deep under a headstone?
>
> Lone R
>
> xxxxxxxx wrote:
That was why I was kind of wondering in the back of my mind if the
glass
> might not have been put there by the placer. I would certainly
hope not.
> But the fact that the clues said to dig deep under a tall
stone........seems
> odd. It also seems odd to me that with such a serious situation,
the placer
> said they'd check on it, then not only didn't get back to Wendell
but also
> didn't see fit to go and immediately remove the glass, since the
glass was
> still there when Wendell returned a few days later. Nor did they
post any
> note in the clues (as of this morning at least) as to what had
happened as a
> warning.
>
> In a way, given our litigious society, I can see a placer
deciding not to
> contact Wendell again. I would consider that "rude" but an
attorney might
> advise that. On the other hand, I would have immediately gone
and removed
> the glass or had someone in the area do it and also retired the
box from any
> websites it was on. Maybe that's overkill but as a placer, I'd
be very
> upset. Or maybe put a big fat note on the clue page. If I was
the placer,
> if I wasn't the one who put the glass there, I would be rather
upset and
> would want to be absolutely sure that box was out of commission
anyway so
> that whoever did do that wouldn't be returning to do it again.
But that's
> just what I would do. Like I said, maybe others would consider
that
> overkill. At the very least, I'd post a warning.
>
> I read the clues and it appears to be a headstone that's over 100
years old.
> But maybe it's in the family of the placer and they have
permission to have
> put a letterbox there. I wouldn't have done any digging
whatsoever either
> unless I already knew the placer absolutely had permission from
the family,
> once I saw that it was a headstone. I take that back. I just
would've
> walked away period. Being as how it's apparently a 100 year old
headstone,
> I don't think I would have gone after it even if the placer had
*had*
> permission. I wouldn't have felt right about it.
>
> Wendell, is the hand doing OK? What a bummer of a day.
>
> ~~ Mosey ~~
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of ontario_cacher
> Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 9:09 AM
> To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [LbNA] Re: Carry a big stick!
>
> I just posted a message about burying boxes before seeing your
> message. I'm really glad to see someone else is disturbed by the
> digging requirement for this box.
>
> Lone R
>
> --- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, ruhlette wrote:
> >
> > I just read the this initial post tonight and I thought ... what
> > letterboxer writes clues that "require digging?" If I saw clues
> > mentioning digging, I would not seek it, and I might be
inclined to
> > privately email the placer and ask if that is his/her intent.
Then I
> > would gently remind him/her of the environmental impact and
request
> he/she
> > rethink the written clues. Am I missing something here?
> >
> > speedsquare
> >
> >
> >
> >
> __________________________________________________________
> ________
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> >
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> > Calculate new payment! www.LowerMyBills.com/lre
> >
>
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I was sooo glad that you posted a message about this. Today we were
attempting to retrieve a box from a joint in a tree, I was using a
stick and grateful I had, as someone had left a broken glass down in
the joint, filled with durt, so only the jagged edges were sticking
out...plus the glass pieces were scattered in the durt & leaves
covering it.

Thanks much for sharing your experience with the rest of us.

Basket Case




--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "Wendell Jones"
wrote:
>
> OK, first of all, yes the hands are fine. I still have a bit of
> numbness in two fingers on my left hand but I can live with it. As
> long as it doesn't effect picking the guitar or the mandolin I can
> live with it...as the doctor said I would have to.
> Secondly, it is not a headstone. It is behind a grave that is over
> 100 years old but the original headstone is still there. The rock
in
> the clue is a secondary rock that is behind the grave. It is about
2
> feet away, and it is just a piece of limestone. It is an odd
shape,
> but it is not "the" or "a" headstone. I would not have tampered
with
> a grave, or a grave yard, but as you saw in the clue, it was the
> only one there. It was the only thing there, but for a few trees.
> Whoever kept this lone grave sure tended it very well, as they had
> it mulched and lined with monkey grass. The stone however was a
> couple feet away from the grave.
>
> --- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "xxxxxxxx"
> wrote:
> >
> > That was why I was kind of wondering in the back of my mind if
the
> glass
> > might not have been put there by the placer. I would certainly
> hope not.
> > But the fact that the clues said to dig deep under a tall
> stone........seems
> > odd. It also seems odd to me that with such a serious
situation,
> the placer
> > said they'd check on it, then not only didn't get back to
Wendell
> but also
> > didn't see fit to go and immediately remove the glass, since the
> glass was
> > still there when Wendell returned a few days later. Nor did
they
> post any
> > note in the clues (as of this morning at least) as to what had
> happened as a
> > warning.
> >
> > In a way, given our litigious society, I can see a placer
deciding
> not to
> > contact Wendell again. I would consider that "rude" but an
> attorney might
> > advise that. On the other hand, I would have immediately gone
and
> removed
> > the glass or had someone in the area do it and also retired the
> box from any
> > websites it was on. Maybe that's overkill but as a placer, I'd
be
> very
> > upset. Or maybe put a big fat note on the clue page. If I was
> the placer,
> > if I wasn't the one who put the glass there, I would be rather
> upset and
> > would want to be absolutely sure that box was out of commission
> anyway so
> > that whoever did do that wouldn't be returning to do it again.
> But that's
> > just what I would do. Like I said, maybe others would consider
> that
> > overkill. At the very least, I'd post a warning.
> >
> > I read the clues and it appears to be a headstone that's over
100
> years old.
> > But maybe it's in the family of the placer and they have
> permission to have
> > put a letterbox there. I wouldn't have done any digging
> whatsoever either
> > unless I already knew the placer absolutely had permission from
> the family,
> > once I saw that it was a headstone. I take that back. I just
> would've
> > walked away period. Being as how it's apparently a 100 year old
> headstone,
> > I don't think I would have gone after it even if the placer had
> *had*
> > permission. I wouldn't have felt right about it.
> >
> > Wendell, is the hand doing OK? What a bummer of a day.
> >
> > ~~ Mosey ~~
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
> > [mailto:letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of ontario_cacher
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 9:09 AM
> > To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [LbNA] Re: Carry a big stick!
> >
> >
> > I just posted a message about burying boxes before seeing your
> > message. I'm really glad to see someone else is disturbed by the
> > digging requirement for this box.
> >
> > Lone R
> >
> > --- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, ruhlette wrote:
> > >
> > > I just read the this initial post tonight and I thought ...
what
> > > letterboxer writes clues that "require digging?" If I saw
clues
> > > mentioning digging, I would not seek it, and I might be
inclined
> to
> > > privately email the placer and ask if that is his/her intent.
> Then I
> > > would gently remind him/her of the environmental impact and
> request
> > he/she
> > > rethink the written clues. Am I missing something here?
> > >
> > > speedsquare
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
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Hello everyone. We had a great time in Missouri. We picked up 4 boxes while we were there. 2 in MO., and 2 in IL. We got back last night and Gracy and I went to Sparta, TN. While the letterbox is still there, and there is some remnance of broken glass on the ground around the site, there is no glass in the hole. I am pleased to report that it looked relatively like I left it. (With the exception of other boxers leaving traces of their visit)

sbostik wrote: I was sooo glad that you posted a message about this. Today we were
attempting to retrieve a box from a joint in a tree, I was using a
stick and grateful I had, as someone had left a broken glass down in
the joint, filled with durt, so only the jagged edges were sticking
out...plus the glass pieces were scattered in the durt & leaves
covering it.

Thanks much for sharing your experience with the rest of us.

Basket Case

--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "Wendell Jones"
wrote:
>
> OK, first of all, yes the hands are fine. I still have a bit of
> numbness in two fingers on my left hand but I can live with it. As
> long as it doesn't effect picking the guitar or the mandolin I can
> live with it...as the doctor said I would have to.
> Secondly, it is not a headstone. It is behind a grave that is over
> 100 years old but the original headstone is still there. The rock
in
> the clue is a secondary rock that is behind the grave. It is about
2
> feet away, and it is just a piece of limestone. It is an odd
shape,
> but it is not "the" or "a" headstone. I would not have tampered
with
> a grave, or a grave yard, but as you saw in the clue, it was the
> only one there. It was the only thing there, but for a few trees.
> Whoever kept this lone grave sure tended it very well, as they had
> it mulched and lined with monkey grass. The stone however was a
> couple feet away from the grave.
>
> --- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "xxxxxxxx"
> wrote:
> >
> > That was why I was kind of wondering in the back of my mind if
the
> glass
> > might not have been put there by the placer. I would certainly
> hope not.
> > But the fact that the clues said to dig deep under a tall
> stone........seems
> > odd. It also seems odd to me that with such a serious
situation,
> the placer
> > said they'd check on it, then not only didn't get back to
Wendell
> but also
> > didn't see fit to go and immediately remove the glass, since the
> glass was
> > still there when Wendell returned a few days later. Nor did
they
> post any
> > note in the clues (as of this morning at least) as to what had
> happened as a
> > warning.
> >
> > In a way, given our litigious society, I can see a placer
deciding
> not to
> > contact Wendell again. I would consider that "rude" but an
> attorney might
> > advise that. On the other hand, I would have immediately gone
and
> removed
> > the glass or had someone in the area do it and also retired the
> box from any
> > websites it was on. Maybe that's overkill but as a placer, I'd
be
> very
> > upset. Or maybe put a big fat note on the clue page. If I was
> the placer,
> > if I wasn't the one who put the glass there, I would be rather
> upset and
> > would want to be absolutely sure that box was out of commission
> anyway so
> > that whoever did do that wouldn't be returning to do it again.
> But that's
> > just what I would do. Like I said, maybe others would consider
> that
> > overkill. At the very least, I'd post a warning.
> >
> > I read the clues and it appears to be a headstone that's over
100
> years old.
> > But maybe it's in the family of the placer and they have
> permission to have
> > put a letterbox there. I wouldn't have done any digging
> whatsoever either
> > unless I already knew the placer absolutely had permission from
> the family,
> > once I saw that it was a headstone. I take that back. I just
> would've
> > walked away period. Being as how it's apparently a 100 year old
> headstone,
> > I don't think I would have gone after it even if the placer had
> *had*
> > permission. I wouldn't have felt right about it.
> >
> > Wendell, is the hand doing OK? What a bummer of a day.
> >
> > ~~ Mosey ~~
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
> > [mailto:letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of ontario_cacher
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 9:09 AM
> > To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [LbNA] Re: Carry a big stick!
> >
> >
> > I just posted a message about burying boxes before seeing your
> > message. I'm really glad to see someone else is disturbed by the
> > digging requirement for this box.
> >
> > Lone R
> >
> > --- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, ruhlette wrote:
> > >
> > > I just read the this initial post tonight and I thought ...
what
> > > letterboxer writes clues that "require digging?" If I saw
clues
> > > mentioning digging, I would not seek it, and I might be
inclined
> to
> > > privately email the placer and ask if that is his/her intent.
> Then I
> > > would gently remind him/her of the environmental impact and
> request
> > he/she
> > > rethink the written clues. Am I missing something here?
> > >
> > > speedsquare
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
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> > > Calculate new payment! www.LowerMyBills.com/lre
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